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		<title>By: Marty Stepp</title>
		<link>http://www.martystepp.com/why-internet-explorer-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1232</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty Stepp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 05:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh.  You don&#039;t get it, &quot;L&quot;.  You&#039;re right that I don&#039;t develop pages for IE.  But I don&#039;t develop pages for *ANY* browser.  Because that&#039;s not how web development is supposed to work.  You are supposed to develop to well-documented web standards, and then the page is supposed to work in every browser.  In many cases, it does not work in IE.  That&#039;s their browser&#039;s problem; they need to fix it.  I&#039;m not willing to hack up my web page with a bunch of kludges and special code just to deal with the fact that IE is a broken web browser.  If you think that makes me a tool, so be it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh.  You don&#8217;t get it, &#8220;L&#8221;.  You&#8217;re right that I don&#8217;t develop pages for IE.  But I don&#8217;t develop pages for *ANY* browser.  Because that&#8217;s not how web development is supposed to work.  You are supposed to develop to well-documented web standards, and then the page is supposed to work in every browser.  In many cases, it does not work in IE.  That&#8217;s their browser&#8217;s problem; they need to fix it.  I&#8217;m not willing to hack up my web page with a bunch of kludges and special code just to deal with the fact that IE is a broken web browser.  If you think that makes me a tool, so be it.</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
		<link>http://www.martystepp.com/why-internet-explorer-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1231</link>
		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 04:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be cool that you don&#039;t develop things to work on IE.  Whatever.  I&#039;ve never called anyone a tool before because I hate that term, but you are a tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be cool that you don&#8217;t develop things to work on IE.  Whatever.  I&#8217;ve never called anyone a tool before because I hate that term, but you are a tool.</p>
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		<title>By: s</title>
		<link>http://www.martystepp.com/why-internet-explorer-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1221</link>
		<dc:creator>s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opps!
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Adobe-We-Love-Flash-and-HTML5-Equally-279478/
&quot;CSS Regions are available in the latest versions of Chromium and Internet Explorer 10.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opps!<br />
<a href="http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Adobe-We-Love-Flash-and-HTML5-Equally-279478/" rel="nofollow">http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Adobe-We-Love-Flash-and-HTML5-Equally-279478/</a><br />
&#8220;CSS Regions are available in the latest versions of Chromium and Internet Explorer 10.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Marty Stepp</title>
		<link>http://www.martystepp.com/why-internet-explorer-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1068</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty Stepp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;s&quot;: It is undoubtedly true that IE9 is more secure than past IEs.  (It would be hard for it not to be.)  But this study is not definitive.  The folks who did the study, NSS labs, are known paid Microsoft shills, given substantial compensation by Microsoft to perform this study.  Their methodology has been questioned and criticized, set up in a way to make IE slant toward having a better number than other arguably &quot;safer&quot; browsers.

I encourage you to google (er, sorry, you probably use Bing!) about &quot;NSS labs&quot; and read about the accusations and questions regarding their credibility, as well as considering the general low credibility of paid studies.

Lastly, my main gripe against IE isn&#039;t even its &quot;safety&quot; or security any more; it&#039;s their poor conformance to web standards and their monopolistic behavior in the past that helped to crush competitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;s&#8221;: It is undoubtedly true that IE9 is more secure than past IEs.  (It would be hard for it not to be.)  But this study is not definitive.  The folks who did the study, NSS labs, are known paid Microsoft shills, given substantial compensation by Microsoft to perform this study.  Their methodology has been questioned and criticized, set up in a way to make IE slant toward having a better number than other arguably &#8220;safer&#8221; browsers.</p>
<p>I encourage you to google (er, sorry, you probably use Bing!) about &#8220;NSS labs&#8221; and read about the accusations and questions regarding their credibility, as well as considering the general low credibility of paid studies.</p>
<p>Lastly, my main gripe against IE isn&#8217;t even its &#8220;safety&#8221; or security any more; it&#8217;s their poor conformance to web standards and their monopolistic behavior in the past that helped to crush competitors.</p>
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		<title>By: s</title>
		<link>http://www.martystepp.com/why-internet-explorer-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1064</link>
		<dc:creator>s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 03:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are still avoiding the security issue:
http://www.zdnetasia.com/report-ie9-safest-browser-against-malware-62301643.htm

How much evidence does it take till you can admit that IE9 is really secure. You should be encouraging EVERYONE to use IE9 to minimize getting compromised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are still avoiding the security issue:<br />
<a href="http://www.zdnetasia.com/report-ie9-safest-browser-against-malware-62301643.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.zdnetasia.com/report-ie9-safest-browser-against-malware-62301643.htm</a></p>
<p>How much evidence does it take till you can admit that IE9 is really secure. You should be encouraging EVERYONE to use IE9 to minimize getting compromised.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.martystepp.com/why-internet-explorer-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-1032</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 05:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to take a moment and say thanks to Marty on this one.
I was in his class about a year and a half ago, and would like to explain a little about how it worked.

Since we didn&#039;t focus on IE we were able to cover more content that we would not have had otherwise.  To those who are saying that makes me less employable I would disagree.  I am working on a site for a group at the UW that (if I say so myself) looks fucking fantastic in every other browser.  I just started testing it in IE and it looks like all of my time and data was given to the browser, which then had a seizure on it and gave it back.

But seeing as how Marty taught us standards and not hacks I can figure out how to fix it.  I&#039;m going to be adding a separate css sheet for only IE.  That took me all of 2 minutes to google, and if we had covered how to handle each incarnation of that browser I would have missed out on a lot of the stuff that I have just been using.  Besides, his class is mostly for beginners and it covers a lot more than html and css.  The timing just doesn&#039;t work to have a week or however much would be needed to cover every way that IE might render your page differently and how to fix it

If someone is at the level where their living depends on their ability to code and design, they should be able to figure out how to deal with something like this on their own.  When we are all starting out, we need to learn the rules not the exception.  Thanks to Marty I know what I need to make websites.

All I need now is the patience to rework my appearance every time IE rears it&#039;s ugly head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to take a moment and say thanks to Marty on this one.<br />
I was in his class about a year and a half ago, and would like to explain a little about how it worked.</p>
<p>Since we didn&#8217;t focus on IE we were able to cover more content that we would not have had otherwise.  To those who are saying that makes me less employable I would disagree.  I am working on a site for a group at the UW that (if I say so myself) looks fucking fantastic in every other browser.  I just started testing it in IE and it looks like all of my time and data was given to the browser, which then had a seizure on it and gave it back.</p>
<p>But seeing as how Marty taught us standards and not hacks I can figure out how to fix it.  I&#8217;m going to be adding a separate css sheet for only IE.  That took me all of 2 minutes to google, and if we had covered how to handle each incarnation of that browser I would have missed out on a lot of the stuff that I have just been using.  Besides, his class is mostly for beginners and it covers a lot more than html and css.  The timing just doesn&#8217;t work to have a week or however much would be needed to cover every way that IE might render your page differently and how to fix it</p>
<p>If someone is at the level where their living depends on their ability to code and design, they should be able to figure out how to deal with something like this on their own.  When we are all starting out, we need to learn the rules not the exception.  Thanks to Marty I know what I need to make websites.</p>
<p>All I need now is the patience to rework my appearance every time IE rears it&#8217;s ugly head.</p>
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		<title>By: s</title>
		<link>http://www.martystepp.com/why-internet-explorer-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-988</link>
		<dc:creator>s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are still avoiding the new security posture:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/07/internet-explorer-9-utterly-dominates-malware-blocking-stats.ars</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are still avoiding the new security posture:<br />
<a href="http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/07/internet-explorer-9-utterly-dominates-malware-blocking-stats.ars" rel="nofollow">http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/07/internet-explorer-9-utterly-dominates-malware-blocking-stats.ars</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marty Stepp</title>
		<link>http://www.martystepp.com/why-internet-explorer-sucks/comment-page-1/#comment-937</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty Stepp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;s&quot;: I am not trying to claim that IE is without merit as a software product.  The most damning thing about IE is that it has historically done a terrible job about conforming to established web standards.  The newer versions such as IE9 are better, but they still have a ways to go.  I am happy that MS is at least making some effort to improve things, but in my opinion Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari, and others are still much more worthy of support from developers and users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;s&#8221;: I am not trying to claim that IE is without merit as a software product.  The most damning thing about IE is that it has historically done a terrible job about conforming to established web standards.  The newer versions such as IE9 are better, but they still have a ways to go.  I am happy that MS is at least making some effort to improve things, but in my opinion Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari, and others are still much more worthy of support from developers and users.</p>
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		<title>By: s</title>
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		<dc:creator>s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the real engineering challenge for your students is building web sites that function with hundreds of different web browser variants:
http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/sec/2011/070411sec1.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the real engineering challenge for your students is building web sites that function with hundreds of different web browser variants:<br />
<a href="http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/sec/2011/070411sec1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/sec/2011/070411sec1.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: s</title>
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		<dc:creator>s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t take my word for it, IE9 is the most secure browser on the planet:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/ie9-versus-chrome-which-one-blocks-malware-better/3175</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t take my word for it, IE9 is the most secure browser on the planet:<br />
<a href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/ie9-versus-chrome-which-one-blocks-malware-better/3175" rel="nofollow">http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/ie9-versus-chrome-which-one-blocks-malware-better/3175</a></p>
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